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What Is Position Trading?

Position trading means holding for months or longer, taking a small number of large moves. It has the lowest transaction cost as a share of each trade and the fewest decisions, and it requires sitting through the largest adverse moves of any style.

The four style pages here describe one market seen at four speeds. This is the slowest view, and its arithmetic is the most favorable and the least achievable on the site.

How it works

Hold for months. A year that fills thousands of five-minute bars for a scalper is twelve monthly candles here.

Twelve decisions. That is the entire workload of this style across the same market and the same period.

The arithmetic is the best on the site

Say a typical bar covers 4.00 at this speed, against 0.50 on the fastest view of the same market.

A 0.02 round trip is 0.5% of that — an eighth of the burden it places on scalping the same market.

Style Typical bar (hypothetical) 0.02 costs
Scalping 0.50 4%
Day trading 1.00 2%
Swing trading 2.00 1%
Position trading 4.00 0.5%

At 0.5% the cost stops being something you have to plan around. Every other page on this site has to argue about execution; this one does not.

Bar diagram of a 0.02 round trip as 4% of a scalping bar, 2% of a day-trading bar, 1% of a swing bar and 0.5% of a position bar.
A diagram of this page's table on hypothetical bar sizes.

What is inside one of these candles

Every trade a scalper took, every session a day trader closed out, sits inside a candle here.

That is not a rhetorical point — it is the same data. The faster styles are not seeing more; they are seeing the same thing subdivided, which is the argument on the timeframes page in its most extreme form.

What it actually costs

Buying the S&P 500 at its close of 9 October 2007 meant watching it fall 56.8%, to 676.53 on 9 March 2009.

And the index did not close above that 2007 level again until 28 March 2013.

Read those two facts together, because they are the page. A holder who was eventually right sat through 5.5 years below the entry and a loss of more than half along the way — and while it was happening, nothing said how it would turn out.

That is why the best arithmetic on this site belongs to the style fewest people run. The cost is not paid in fees; it is paid in months of holding something that is losing.

The costs the table above misses

Worth saying plainly, because the cost column on this page flatters the style.

That table counts the spread and commission you pay to get in and out. Those are the costs the fast styles are dominated by, and at 0.5% of a monthly move they are close to irrelevant here.

A long hold has different costs, and they accrue with time rather than with trades.

Financing, if the position is leveraged. A margin loan or a futures roll or a funding rate on a perpetual charges by the day, so a position held for four months pays about a hundred and twenty times what one held overnight pays.

Dividends and corporate actions, if it is a stock. Long, you receive them; short, you pay them — and over months that is a real number in either direction.

And capital tied up. Money committed to a months-long position is not available for anything else, which does not appear on any statement and is nonetheless a cost.

So the honest version of the table is this: the fast styles pay per trade and the slow ones pay per day. Neither column is free, and this page’s column simply is not the one being measured.

A worked example

Decide the thesis on something other than a chart. At this horizon the reason to hold is generally not a chart pattern — and this site is about charts, so the honest thing to say is that the analysis here reaches past what these pages cover.

Size for the drawdown, not for the entry. The S&P 500 itself fell 56.8% from 2007 to 2009, and the position has to be small enough that carrying a fall like that changes nothing about your life.

Name the invalidation as a condition, not a candle. A stop three bars away is meaningless when a bar is a month.

Then leave it alone. Checking a months-long position daily converts it into a stressful swing trade with no exit plan.

The original data

Across our study of 24,971 trading videos, 48 have position trading in the title. The median one gets 3,115 views, 94% never pass 50,000, and the median length is 15.1 minutes.

48 is one of the smallest fields measured here — against 960 for day trading, twenty times as many videos for a style that is one step faster.

And 94% is among the most saturated, above Hull moving averages at 92% — a small field that nobody watches.

The corpus carries description text for one of those 48, which is far too few to say anything at all about how the topic is written, so this page does not try.

When it fails

The drawdown is the whole story

Covered above and worth repeating as the single fact to take away: a fall of more than half, and 5.5 years under the entry price, on the way to eventually being right. Every other difficulty on this page is downstream of that one.

Twelve decisions is not fewer chances to be wrong

It is fewer chances to be right. With twelve bars there is no law of averages working for you — one bad read is a large fraction of everything you did, and there is no next trade this afternoon to make it back.

The horizon outlasts the reason

A thesis held for months has to survive the world changing. Whatever made the position sensible in month one may simply no longer be true in month five, and nothing on the chart announces that.

You looked at it once it had worked

The question: Four bars in. Hold for another year, or not?

Four bars in, the position is losing. A completed hold looks like conviction; an incomplete one looks like a mistake, and the two are indistinguishable at the time — which is exactly why the sizing decision has to be made before any of it.

Swing trading is one step faster and the version of this most people can actually hold to.

Timeframes is why the same year can be twelve candles or many thousands.

And risk management is what makes a drawdown of that size survivable, which is the only real requirement of this style.

What I actually do

I do not run positions for months, and I am honest that the reason is temperament rather than analysis. What is genuinely true about this style is that the arithmetic is the friendliest of the four and almost nobody can do it, because what it asks for is not a skill you can practice on a chart. It asks you to watch a position lose money for weeks and do nothing, which is much harder than analysis.

— Michael Whitman

This page is educational, not financial advice. Test every idea on your own charts before risking money.